Abortion is okay

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Amen sista.
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Fucking hell. This is now my all-time favorite Redzilla post. I am almost shaking. Way to go. You make me proud, girl.
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I am just going to C&P my response from a few weeks back on the original blog and then I will favorite it!

Redz...I think you are my hero. Forget that you are an excellent writer, that's a given. You see everything so clearly and so in-depth. Maybe that comes from your mom making you figure things out for yourself as her miniature contractor around the house, instead of telling you what to do and how to do it and HOW to think...like most of the rest of us are taught. Your mom gave you a valuable gift...how to think for yourself.
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I always said...I am firmly pro-choice, but if it came down to it, *I don't know whether* I could have an abortion. I never thought it was right or wrong for me, because I have never actually been pregnant, let alone pregnant and in an uncertain situation, so I have no idea how I would feel about it, maybe after all this time of never wanting children I would really want one, or maybe I would absolutely know having a kid was the wrong thing for me. But I think you are totally right that it's hypocritical for anyone to think that it's wrong, except when *they* need one. What you did for both girls was wonderful. And being a bitch counseling those women, well, maybe you made an impact in other ways, and they made other decisions in their lives using their own brains, not someone else's.

spot fucking on redz!
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you make an excellent point. i applaud you for being a bitch. in those moments before signing the referral letter you probably helped those women more than what years of therapy could have done.
"In those moments before signing the referral letter you probably helped those women more than what years of therapy could have done."
Excellent point. It was a kindness, not bitchery. Funny thing, huh, how insisting on truth and integrity often turns out to be the kindest thing in the long run.
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Hmmm ... kinda unsure about this one ... but I love how you stand up for your thoughts and explain them so lucidly. And you know what I love about you? You always give me an idea about what to write on my blog!

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you, my dear RedZ, did something wonderful for those women whom you forced to look at themselves, at their needs, and to acknowledge that they themselves wanted the abortion and that it was OK. thank you.
I'm sure you already read this, but some of your readers may have not, so I am linking the only moral abortion is my abortion.
thanks again.
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Oh ... and since I forgot to mention ... it's laudable what you did for those two women. Rock on!
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I knew I had a good feeling about adding you to my neighbourhood ... :-)

Amazing -- I think your post is amazing, and I think YOU are amazing. What a service you are providing to women who are troubled, confused, and pregnant.

Good for you for being a b!tch. Some people don't like the term - that it's mean, derogatory, or just plain awful. I say, B!tch on, my friend! I myself am a b!tch and I'm proud of it. You stand up for what's right, for what you believe in, and for those who are too afraid to stand for themselves. You deserve a medal ... Seriously.

I've driven friends to clinics for abortions, and they've always had someone else pick them up. I thought originally it was b/c they didn't want to burden me with the responsibility of both, but I realized that it's more than that ... They knew I accepted their decision and that I believe abortion is okay. They wanted me to drive them b/c it would be easy to sit in my company and not feel judged. I like being that person.

I believe that abortion is okay.

Yup, that article can be a real eye-opener for people who don't know what it's like inside the bubble of an abortion clinic under protest-siege. The odd part about Dr. Tiller's situation was that after he was shot, security was sky-high, and we had photo books of known antis to help us figure out who was who. One of the antis did in fact get a referral and make an appointment for an abortion, but security wouldn't let her through the door, because she was on the watch list. I guess she either had to suck it up and have the baby, or she had to go out of state for the procedure. (At the time, Dr. Tiller was the only on providing abortions in Kansas.) People are crazy and fucked up.
DJ
I don't think that makes you a bitch at all, Redz. I think it means you've got guts. And are a brave person. And able to see past the bullshit. It's amazing how much patriarchy has screwed things up.
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I don't know that I agree with everything you said; for me, there are circumstances under which abortion is more "okay" than others. That said, I'm glad you made women think, and didn't enable them to do what they thought was morally or religiously wrong. It is, and should be, a tough choice - not an easy one. Do I believe it's the ending of a life? Yes. Do I believe it's the mother's right to end that life, up to a point (up to the point where that life can sustain itself, outside her body)? Yes. I think it's my right to slice off my arm if I choose to do so; there are very few circumstances under which I'd think it was a good, "right" thing to do (but I can imagine a few, and there are people in the world who simply want to do this). Each woman has to struggle with her own moral and religious beliefs, the "emotional and mental healthiness" of her own choices, and come to her own conclusion - to do what's right for her. In some cases, it may even be to do what's right for her family - the children she already has, and the unborn child itself. I have no respect for those who cannot understand that and seek to force their own beliefs down someone else's throat by threatening, bullying, or coercion. The doctors who perform abortions don't do it because they love to perform abortions - they do it because they're compassionate enough to want to ensure safe, healthy abortions for women who've chosen to end their pregnancies.

No one who would physically attack a woman, a doctor, or healthcare workers, or who would bomb an abortion clinic can credibly say to me "I'm pro-LIFE." They're just making very different choices about which lives are worth living.

wow Mariser thanks for that link. those stories made me want to hurl but thankfully it ended on a positive note.
I don't think I could ever have one. But I have never been faced with that overwhelmingly hard decision. I think that it is okay for someone to make that decision. I have known several women that have had one, and it haunts them for a long time. It is such a hard decision, I don't ever want to judge them.
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RedZ, you have real guts to tell it like it is. It is indeed sad that there are people who believe you will burn in a lake of fire for your views on abortion, considering how honest and logical the are. But then, these same people would terrorize a 12-year-old rape victim, so it's hard to care about their opinions, eh?

Keep on fighting the good fight!
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ITA, the thing that pisses me off the most about those people protesting outside for whatever reason is that the ones holding the signs up saying "I'll adopt your baby" are FULL OF SHIT (pardon my language). They're just the kind of hypocrites who will say anything to get you to do what they think you should do, but when push comes to shove, they haven't adopted any babies that are already out there waiting to be adopted because of the above stated. Full of shit I tell you.
I think that's the real trick and the point I want to get across--women struggle with that decision anyway, without being judged. It's not one that's made casually or without serious thought. It's not made for convenience, and it's never the decision that women really want to make. Plus, if abortion is okay for one person, it's okay for another--we don't get to judge who is worthy or privileged. If a 23-year old's abortion is murder, so is the 12-year old's. If the 23-year old should have had her baby, so should the 12-year old.

The other thing I want to do with this post is to discourage people from saying, "I don't think I could ever have one." (Not to poke at you personally, because I've heard thousands of women say that :o) I know people don't mean it this way, but that is a statement of judgement. If you feel it isn't, ask yourself WHY you think you could never have one. There's a very subconscious aspect to "I don't think I could do that (because it's wrong or dirty or immoral or murder or stupid)."

Almost all women have short-term regret and sadness after abortion, because it is a lost life, a lost opportunity. Most women who have long-term guilt and self-hatred, however, have it because they face a society that looks on them in blissful ignorance, having no idea what it's like to face that decision. So that's my hope, that people will learn to withhold judgement about something they don't know about.

When I was younger I was a "I would never have one," sort of person. Then I started meeting people who'd had abortions and I realized I had no idea what I would do. I'd never been raped, dumped, diagnosed with a terrible disease, unable to pay my bills, paralyzed with depression, all while being pregnant. I just didn't know what I would do.
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Rock on. that's an awesome post.
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RedZ, others may call it being a bitch -- I think it was counseling at its' finest.

You have to be an awesome writer; the truth of you is stranger and deeper than any fiction!
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It feels like in the last ten years it's been a sin to say 'my body my choice' but dammit, it's time to reclaim it. You are right, abortion is ok.

Abortion is more than just ok. I am grateful I live in a country where people aren't so polarized on this issue, where it's realtively easy and uncomplicated to have the service performed,that I didn't have to fight my way through a wall of nuns and old men waving plastic fetuses in my face when I had mine, almost 10 years ago (notice how the most vociferous abortion opponents always seem to be the people who can't have babies?)

I think it's telling that women are willing to trumpet their biggest secrets and most initmate indiscretions--but not this. Unless it's accompanied by much crying and grief, like their lives have been ruined. We can forgive muderers, cheaters, liars, crooks, addicts, etc. But it's viewed as the ultimate in moral bankruptcy to say, " I had an abortion, no regrets, my life turned out super."

Thanks, Red, for cutting through the bullshit once again.

Power to you for speaking out. (And I'm glad your life turned out super :o)

I had a co-worker whose car sported a bumpersticker that said, "Ask me about my abortion." She was a big influence on me in my early days trying to manage the minefield of pregnancy counseling and sex education.

I have always believed that if every woman who has had an abortion would simply talk about it to ten people they know--we'd end the abortion madness in this country pretty quickly. The reason people feel comfortable calling women murderers and monsters is that they don't know how many of the women they know and love have had abortions.
...and that's the other thing--I said this over on Val's blog, I could give a crap what a complete stranger does in this situation. Everyone I know may have had an abortion, I'm none the wiser. It doesn't affect me, why should I have an say about someone else's personal decisions? What they should do is start screening people & handing out Breeding Licenses.

Good article Redzilla, but I’m afraid it will only speak to those who don’t already have their minds made up.

My wife and I both come from conservative Christian homes. The difference being that my family didn't really talk about abortion and her family did. Abortion was viewed as wrong in ALL circumstance in her family. My mom had personal feelings on abortion, but she always said she didn't want it to be illegal, because she remembers the days when it was. Most of my wife’s family is so extreme on the issue that they ask the doctors if the birth control pills they are on are “abortive”, because they believe anything that prevents a fertilized egg from implanting is also an abortion. My wife and I both disagree with that position and we are both opposed to outlawing abortion.

My wife will talk to her mom and dad about how she feels, and I commend her for that. She knows she’d be better off talking to the wall. She will most likely accomplish nothing other than to upset, but at least she tries.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for having the guts to say what most of us are too scared to. You captured my feelings on this issue beautifully and much more eloquently than I ever could. The one thing I have to add is that I don't think this should be a political issue, and it annoys the hell out of me that I have to become a one-issue voter because it is a political issue. But I feel so strongly about protecting a woman's right to choose what is right for her that I have voted based solely on this one issue.

I just wish people would get their narrow-ass minds out of my home, my body, my life! I vehemently disagree with organized religion (how many wars have been fought and lives lost in "God's" name?), but I would never presume to tell someone that they can't believe in or practice their religion just because I don't agree with it. In fact, I would defend their right to practice their beliefs with everything I have. And that, to me, is the fundamental difference between the two positions.

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Redzilla, I've been reading your blog for a few months now, smiling and laughing and generally enjoying everything you write. Yours is one of my favorite blogs to read. But this one... this one tops all. This is a fantastic post. I can see why you didn't choose to write a new one. I love your story and I think you are a hero for all of it. Thank you for acting on your beliefs and for your great writing. Keep it up! :)
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i live in canada where we take our abortion rights for granted as it is essentially a non-issue here...

i completely support you and people who work to support choice...

thank you <3
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I dont know if i agree with you, but your courage and strength are admirable.

E
It's easy to say abortion is okay, but you can't say that it's right.
what i don't understand is how someone who is "prolife" can justify killing a man who was just doing his job. i feel very sad for Dr. Tiller's family and patients.
Au contraire, E. I can and will say that abortion is right. It is a good thing for many people.
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Wow. truly horrific. ever consider that perhaps the women you 'counseled' really did believe (dare i say, realize?) it was wrong to do and you chastised them into overcoming that belief? the vast majority of abortions are performed for convenience sake...not incest, not rape. this is undeniable. core principles are often rationalized away when people are scared. congratulations in helping women do what is already a flaw in the human condition.


No, I chastised them out of being hypocrits by telling them having an abortion would be a terrible mistake if they truly believed it was wrong. Try actually reading what I wrote, instead of convincing yourself I wrote something else.

If the women I counseled truly believed abortion was wrong, they would have taken the information I offered about adoption services and public services available to pregnant women. Instead, they insisted on getting a referral letter for an appointment at an abortion clinic. Don't project your beliefs onto people you never met. I know you'd like to think that all those women would have changed their minds if they'd had someone who was anti-abortion counseling them, but I'm guessing you've never done pregnancy counseling.
Oh and don't bother posting here again until you actually create a profile and a blog on Vox. I don't take drive-bys.
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Lol....not a free speech advocate, eh? Didn't realize this was an echo chamber.

Your words:
"...most of the women I counseled probably still hate me, because I made them admit the thing that no one—not even your average liberal Democrat—wants to admit these days: abortion is okay."

Not projecting my beliefs on them. Looks like you had that covered.
I wonder what part of "I don't take drive-bys" he didn't get. Sayonara, asshole.

I think there's a whole lot this guy doesn't understand, including what he himself is saying.

Gotta wonder about folks who sign up just to post a comment.

They want to enjoy the "freedom of speech" of anonymous assholery.

Fascinating gap in his vocabulary that he doesn't know the different meanings of the verbs "admit" and "believe."
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I had an abortion. It sucked. It still hurts. But I think abortion is okay too.
Thanks for being brave. I've said all along if every woman who had an abortion talked about it, we wouldn't be crazy on the subject and we'd have to make a real commitment to making abortion less necessary. We'd have to look at all the reasons women have abortions and try to fix them. As you mention on your blog, there just isn't enough support out there. Not for women who have abortions or babies or miscarriages.

The mourning is normal. You've lost one opportunity, but that's the thing to remember. You've lost that one, not all opportunities. Death and loss hurt, but they heal. Good luck to you and take care.
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Agree with the necessity of abortion, and that it should be avail for all women.

Don't agree that women should parrot “I think abortion is okay. There’s nothing wrong with it" in order to get your referrals. Of course, out of desperation, they'll say anything in order to get what they need.

You're paid to provide quality health care, not impose your views on others. The moment you withhold referrals for difference of opinion, you start playing god, and you lose all credibility and respect.
No Red, you can't. Trying to connect legality and rightness is ridiculous. If abortion were made illegal it would be a disaster. Still doesn't make it right. Abortion is only a relative good. You use the words 'good' and 'right' like they have the same meaning, they don't.
Jo: any woman who wants or needs an abortion needs to get off her high horse about every other woman who wants/needs an abortion. I never imposed my views on anyone. I just insisted that they not request me to make a referral for something they claimed was "wrong." What would you think of me if I'd made referrals for women who told me abortion was murder? Would you think it was better that I'd enabled a woman to "murder" her child?

E: not sure where you got the idea that I'm equating legality and rightness. I believe abortion is right for some women. I believe it can be a good choice. Regardless of its legality. I have seen so many happy endings to abortions that I can't help but believe it is both good and right.

And that's it. I'm tired of you fucking question mark head trolls coming here and commenting on his post. Get your own blogs.
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